So, it’s been several months since you got back from
Disney. What is the most striking memory
of the experience?
Certainly the memories shared with my family. The things we saw and did, and watching the
girls take in the experience. These are the
things that I most fondly remember.
These are the reasons people take vacations in the first place.
Anything else?
I’m still struck by the park itself. When I think about “Disney World,” I really
remember it being a “world.” It’s still weird to think of it as
being contained in a state. I see it as a planet, unencumbered by organizational paradigms of Earth. It would only surprise me a little if we eventually discover that the
entire complex was developed by aliens who are using it as a way to spy on
people from all parts of the world. It
would be a good idea, actually—let the peoples of Earth come to you, instead of
the other way around. The flaw in their
plan may be that they actually “do amusement parks” way better than Earthlings. It’s raising suspicions.
That would be ironic if that was their undoing. Have you shared your ideas with other
Earthlings?
Not in so many words.
But I have interacted with people who have done the Disney World thing
and seem to “get it” when I talk about how impressive it is.
Is it something you have to have experienced to really get?
Something like that.
I’ve heard that Corvette owners have some sort of signal or look that
they give each other when they pass on the street, something that communicates,
“I know that you 'get this', and you know that I 'get this', and we both know that
other people don’t. So let’s share a
moment of superficial bonding.” Surfing
might be like that, too.
Are you saying that based on the movie "Point Break"?
Yes. It's the only movie I know that features both Keanu Reeves and Gary Busey. That must count for something.
Fair point.
Anyway, I've been surprised to feel this "bond" with fellow veterans of the Disney World experience.
Are you saying that based on the movie "Point Break"?
Yes. It's the only movie I know that features both Keanu Reeves and Gary Busey. That must count for something.
Fair point.
Anyway, I've been surprised to feel this "bond" with fellow veterans of the Disney World experience.
Is there any meaningful significance whatsoever to this bond?
Objectively, I don’t feel like there should be. I mean, it’s an amusement park, right? But subjectively, the connection seems real, whatever that means. I feel shallow ascribing very much
significance to that it, though.
There, there. You’re
among friends. There’s no judgment
here.
Thanks.
So is there?
Is there what?
Meaningful significance to the “Disney Bond”?
Let’s say “yes”. At
least insofar as people’s desire to bond about something like an amusement
park—even an awesome amusement park—demonstrates a deep rooted longing to make connections of any kind.
It sounds like the "Disney Bond" is subjectively significant
to you, but that you’re trying to place your own appreciation of the bond on a
higher cerebral plain by pointing out that the bond is compelling to you primarily as a sociological and anthropological illustration. It’s like you’re saying you’re wrapped up in
it, but your “wrapped up-ness” is intellectually defensible.
I might be saying that.
It sounds pretty arrogant when you put it like that, though.
Isn’t it OK just to be wowed by something, even if that “something”
is a corporation unapologetically trying to wow you so you give them more
money?
I guess so. Can I at
least keep thinking of it as “the place where the talking mouse lives” instead
of as “a corporation”?
If that helps maintain your self-image as a thoughtful
person.
Talk about irony!
(LAUGHS)
Since I mentioned the goal of the corp- uh, “talking mouse” being
to draw more money out of you, let me ask you this: Do you think you’ll
ever go back?
Hard to say. There was talk among Beth’s family of taking a trip all together, but that has been postponed for now. At this exact moment, the
girls are still in the window of appreciating things like Princesses and kid-focused
rides. But it seems to me that the next
age range—let’s say 10 to 13—might be that range of being too old to really get
into the kid stuff, but not quite old enough to appreciate the experience from
an adult perspective. Now, realize that what I just said may
be an example of me completely talking out of my butt. But it seems to make sense, right?
Sure.
So what I’m saying is that if we don’t go back this year, we
might be looking at a few years down the line.
When you say “adult perspective,” is that a nice way of
saying, “Epcot”?
Maybe.
Let’s shift gears.
Did you have any personal “take aways” from the trip? I mean, other than good memories, did you
learn anything?
I learned that my kids may be more ready to travel than I
realized. They did really well in the
car ride.
Any other trips lined up?
Nothing planned yet, but most of the country seems like fair
game. Driving to the west coast might be
a little much, but anywhere else could work.
Any other lessons?
Something good for me was that the trip went pretty
smoothly. In the past, it’s kind of been
“my thing” that every time we take a trip somewhere, I forget something
important—either literally forgetting to bring an item of some sort, or I forget how
long it will take me to load up the car, or I forget to put a hold on the mail. This trip was very smooth. Of course, there were isolated moments
of chaos here or there, but nothing directly tied to poor planning on my
part.
Do you think you're the only one who forgets things on trips?
Do you think you're the only one who forgets things on trips?
Probably not. It's hard for me to gauge how common it is, though. For some people, it might be a once-every-five-trips thing. Maybe other people forget lots of things every trip. I reckon that I'm in the top 80% of the population when it comes to "effective trip planning." See how I phrased that in a positive way?
Yes. Very smooth.
Regardless of how widespread the tendency is, I find it annoying and I get frustrated with myself.
So this trip broke a trend for you?
Yes, but I’m not sure that’s a good thing. I mean, I know that it is NOT a good idea to attach your self-image to how well you plan a trip. But sometimes it’s hard to ignore the voices. Like, when we’re visiting Beth’s parents and I have to make an emergency run to buy some toothbrushes for the kids because I left theirs in St. Louis—I start to generalize pretty quickly.
Generalize what?
Bad thoughts about myself.
Some may be accurate, mind you.
Like, I may not be as generally dependable as I like to think I am. If that is the case, I need to realize it and
work on it. Grow and mature--that sort of thing. But when I unfairly generalize bad
thoughts, or when I let “areas of potential growth” become my defining
characteristics, that’s a problem.
So the smoothness of the Disney trip made it so that you
didn’t have to be tempted with bad thoughts about yourself?
Yes, but I realize that may be attacking the symptom. Avoiding the trigger of unproductive
negativity is a quick fix. Conversely,
the satisfaction I get from planning a smooth trip only feels substantial. It fades.
Because it only lasts until the next time you forget toothbrushes?
Exactly. Or the next
time I forget to back up pictures on the computer.
Sounds like there’s a story behind that.
After we got home from Disney, when I was still glowing over the
smoothness of the trip and generally feeling pretty good about myself, our hard
drive crashed. The short story is that
we almost lost about 5 years worth of pictures that were only stored on the
computer--because I didn’t back them
up. I went from a high high to a low low
in about 10 minutes.
Did you recover the pictures?
Yes, but that’s kind of an aside. The contrast in my mood made it apparent to me how
fleeting my hope and joy were when they were attached to “what I have done
lately.” It’s like I’m a ship being cast
around stormy seas.
The New Testament, right?
The book of James?
Yes. 98% sure of
that. I don’t like saying 99% because it’s
a cliché and it makes it sound like I haven’t really thought about it. But I really am at least 98% about that. Besides, aren’t you the Hungry Preacher? Shouldn’t you know this?
I’m also 98% sure.
Any other lasting lessons related to Disney?
Can they be cheesy?
We are talking about where the talking mouse lives, right?
Well put, my friend.
Well put. OK, if cheesy is
allowed, then let me say that a week at Disney World can be a microcosm for
life itself. Or at least what life can
be. There is all sorts of symbolism at
Disney, all sorts of talk about “believing in your dreams” and “making things
magical.” Maybe “experiencing Disney
World” is a litmus test; if you walk away thinking about how commercial everything is or how
expensive or whatever, maybe there’s part of you that’s not really willing to
dream, and not willing to make your dream happen. But if you appreciate the “magic” on any
level, maybe your appreciation can propel you to create magic of your own in
your “real life.” Maybe the magic
doesn’t so much originate from Disney World.
Maybe Disney World draws out the magic in your heart.
So you’re saying that maybe, for some people, Disney World
is like a magic feather.
Ooo, that’s good.
Exactly. Disney World can’t make
you fly, but it can make you recognize that the ability to fly is in you, even
after you get back home. Metaphorically, of course.
What is “flying” a metaphor for?
Living. Loving. Creating.
Doing beautiful things. Believing
in something life-giving and bigger than yourself. That is flying.
That’s scary for some people.
I know.
-THP
-THP
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